Ep 202: Learning to Rock the Boat with Katie M.

What happens when you shift your focus from trying to make everyone else happy to finally listening to yourself? In this episode, I’m joined by one of my amazing clients, Katie, who graciously shares how coaching helped her learn to rock the boat and transform her relationships.

When Katie started coaching with me in late 2024, her goals were to get to know herself better and figure out what she really wanted. You’ll hear how Katie achieved those objectives and more, and you’ll also get a glimpse into how receiving coaching is only the beginning of an ongoing journey. There isn't a finish line where you're finally "fixed," and choosing growth every day is far more rewarding than waiting to finally arrive.

If you're afraid of rocking the boat or disappointing the people around you, this conversation will encourage you to take that first step.

Dr. Katie Montgomery is a busy mom to three boys, a wife, and entrepreneur. She has owned her general dental practice in the Columbus, Ohio area for over 15 years and loves the challenge of being both a clinician and business owner. She has worked with Melissa for nearly two years with the goal of being her favorite you in all areas of her life.

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Transcript

Hey, this is Melissa Parsons, and you are listening to the Your Favorite You Podcast. I'm a certified life coach with an advanced certification in deep dive coaching. The purpose of this podcast is to help brilliant women like you with beautiful brains create the life you've been dreaming of with intentions. My goal is to help you find your favorite version of you by teaching you how to treat yourself as your own best friend.

If this sounds incredible to you and you want practical tips on changing up how you treat yourself, then you're in the right place. Just so you know, I'm a huge fan of using all of the words available to me in the English language, so please proceed with caution if young ears are around.

Melissa Parsons

Hello, everyone. Welcome back to Your Favorite You. We are very fortunate today because we are joined by one of my amazing clients who has very graciously offered to share a little bit about herself and her experience being my client and coaching with me. And we're joined by the amazing Katie. Welcome to the podcast, Katie.

Katie M.

Thank you for having me.

Melissa Parsons

Yeah, long-time listener, first-time guest. So Katie and I just finished up a session of one-on-one individual private coaching together. And I had to look back, Katie, because I couldn't remember when we started and you reached out to me in December of 2024.

Katie M.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

Melissa Parsons

And we've been working together since then. And so I'm curious on your- I want to jog your memory on your consult form that I have you fill out. You said I have a strong desire to get to know myself better and figure out what I want. Ah, interesting. Do you think that we have achieved that objective?

Katie M.

Yes, I do think we've achieved that objective, not right away. It took some time and some talking through some things. But I do think that that's true now. Yeah. Do you think that's true from your perspective?

Melissa Parsons

Yes. When I saw it, I was like, oh, hell yeah, we did and we continue to write. So tell our listeners a little bit about your favorite you now. Like if your life coach were to say, tell me about your favorite you. What would you say?

Katie M.

Well, there's a lot of things I could say to that. But I think the one that sticks out the most is my favorite me now feels much more comfortable and confident in making waves and rocking the boat and making people feel uncomfortable in a good way for me, like, I'm, I'm okay with them being uncomfortable versus before I would be I would kind of climb back into my shell and not be okay with him feeling uncomfortable. So I think in that way, I've definitely grown into my favorite me. Also, I think that just with our talks and our sessions, I've become a lot more curious about myself and about the people way in the world my way of being in the world. And, and it's a different it's a perspective shift that I've worked on with you. And I wouldn't say maybe 100% there yet. It's always a work in progress. But, but, but it's it's better than it was. And, and we're making some headway.

Melissa Parsons

Mm hmm. Yeah. How do you feel about being in my estimation? I feel like I'm a perpetual work in progress.

Katie M.

Well, it just has to be, there's no other option, right? It's like anything we're doing. We want to always be striving to get better and to learn more and be lifelong learners. At least I've always wanted that for myself. And I think coming into the coaching, I kind of had this thought about, oh, Melissa's going to kind of work to fix me. And I'm going to work with Melissa to fix me. And there's no end to that fixing. I mean, there's just progress. There's just little baby steps to become a better version of myself. So that's why I think coaching could go on and on and on. You know, as long as we wanted it to go. So I'm okay with it. You know, I'm used to doing things like working out and working on my goals. And so this is just one facet of that.

Melissa Parsons

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, working on your physical health and your physical body. So this is just a way of working on your mental health and your emotional capacity and that type of thing. I want to say something that I know that you know, because we've talked about it before, but I want everyone listening to the podcast to hear. There's nothing wrong with you. You don't need fixing, right? So I think that that is something that we are sold though, that somebody else has a solution that's going to ultimately fix us, right? That we need fixing in the first place. And I think also we're sold the idea that there is some destination that we're ultimately going to arrive where there will be no more problems, no more strife, no more need for curiosity, you know, that type of thing. And like, I don't want that life. Like I want to be somebody who is constantly curious about me and my relationship with myself and my relationship with the people that I care about my relationship as a business owner with myself and with the people that I work with in my business, that type of thing. So, so yeah, I want everyone listening to hear that I don't think you need fixing. I don't think I need fixing. Now that doesn't mean that I don't try to come up with solutions for everybody that I care about in my life. And if my husband or my children are listening to this, they'll be like, ladies, stop trying to fix us, right? Right. So I love it when my John listens to the podcast and he's like, Hmm, interesting take like, let's, let's spread that over into our lives and that type of thing.

Katie M.

And I think, you know, you're absolutely right. There is nothing about me or anybody else that does need fixing. And that's learned, right? That's something that we have to accept and just become more curious about. I think that's my favorite word after working with you, because I'm not naturally curious. I've always been that, this we've talked at length about this, but firstborn, little miss perfect, trying to do everything by the book. And it was almost, I thought I was gonna get in trouble for being curious about things. And I wouldn't have gotten in trouble for being curious, but that was my perception. And it feels liberating now to release that curiosity and think about life and relationships in a different, more curious way. Mm-hmm

Melissa Parsons

Yeah, I mean, I love what you said right from the get, like, I'm not so worried about rocking the boat anymore. I remember that was one of your big things at first where you were just like, I can't rock the boat. If I rock the boat, then, you know, the boat is going to capsize and no one is going to survive. And I just I love the thought of me out here creating all of these women who are inconvenient to everyone else in pursuit of figuring out who they are and not inconvenient just to be a bitch or inconvenient to like make other people's lives harder. But it's like, gosh, how many of us are out here being so convenient to other people that we have totally lost our way in what makes us happy, what makes us content, what makes us feel joy, what makes us feel pleasure, like all those all those things that I think we should be out here seeking with pretty reckless abandon.

Katie M.

Right, right. And I used to, I used to think that I was doing my family a favor by not rocking the boat. I was teaching my boys to be, you know, to be pleasant and to be nice to be around. And, and that's just not true. So I'm, I'm glad that I've learned this new skill and can teach them how to rock the boat when it's appropriate.

Melissa Parsons

And even, you know, of course I'm going to ask you about your relationship with your boys. So let's get into it. Even when it includes rocking the boat with you.

Katie M.

Yes, yes. Especially when it involves rocking the boat with me. Because I can help guide and shape those conversations and be authentic and true in what I'm telling them or trying to teach them or just conversing with them. And then they get to learn about it and decide for themselves how they want to be in the world. Because I'm not doing them any favors by staying quiet, by trying to make everything perfect. That's just not real life.

Melissa Parsons

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what an awesome place to be able to learn that in the safety and comfort of the home of your parents, right? Tell me what that looks like on a random Thursday, Katie, like, are you comfortable sharing an example of how that looks with one of the boys as a mom of three?

Katie M.

Yeah, I'm trying to think of a good example. Let's say one of my boys has a lesson or an activity, and we've committed and we're going to this and one of them doesn't want to go.

Melissa Parsons

Yeah.

Katie M.

Instead of me saying, well, you've got to go. We signed up for this. We made the commitment, which would have been my natural instinct because that's kind of the way I was raised. I'm going to listen to them. I'm going to ask them why. I'm going to be curious about what's on their mind and what's on their heart. We're going to come to a decision together.

Melissa Parsons

Yeah.

Katie M.

And whatever that decision is, it may rock the boat. It may make somebody else inconvenienced. It may require me to make an uncomfortable phone call or send an uncomfortable text, but I'm listening to them and we're talking through it together and we're to be okay with disappointing somebody because disappointment should not come at the cost of somebody's mental health or physical well-being or anything. They should have autonomy to be able to choose in certain situations. Granted, my older boys are now teenagers, so they have a lot more autonomy than my eight-year-old, but it's still the same thing. We are allowed to disappoint people. We are allowed to change our minds. We're allowed to be a little disruptive, and that's okay.

Melissa Parsons

Yes, I mean, of course, I always want like there to be like this before and after like, I think if you had been speaking this to Katie in November of 2024, she would have been like, What are you talking about? I think you're right. She would have been like, We signed up for this. We said we were going to be there. We made a commitment. We're going no matter what. We're going to suffer through it and we're all going to be miserable. Hop in the car, boys. If we had Katie of December of 2024 listening into this conversation, what do you think she would have said?

Katie M.

I think she would have said to her, to my boys, no, we've made a commitment, we're going, we're doing this and not listened, not taking their feelings into account and force them to do the thing. And, you know, just because that was the way I was brought up does not mean that we have to continue to do it that way. And that's not to say that my parents were wrong or bad, that, you know, that's just what we did. And we know more, we're going to do better. And that's kind of my philosophy on that.

Melissa Parsons

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And I mean, I think that you don't realize when you're going through it and you're thinking that way and thinking we have to be perfect and we have to project this perfect family image on for everybody. You don't think about how much it disconnects you from what you actually want. You don't think about how much it disconnects you from being able to have that curiosity with your kiddos and saying like, tell me what this is about, right? Cause a lot of times it's really valid stuff that they're bringing and just kind of breezing past it and saying like, get in the car kids, like we signed up for this, we're going. And really teaching them to go against their inner knowing, their intuition, like I think it's so powerful to show them through example, like I'm doing this differently now. I'm trying something new. Who knows if it's going to be the thing that I stick with forever. And I think I've had this conversation with my boys so many times, like, listen, I'm doing this for the very first time. Right now as the mom of 24 and 21-year-olds. Like some days I'm going to absolutely kill it and knock it out of the park. And I'm going to be the greatest mom that ever lived. And some days I'm just going to suck. And like, you're not responsible for that. I want to take responsibility for that. And I also am not holding myself to this standard that is unmutable.

Katie M.

Right. And I also think that having the conversation allows them to hear themselves and hear their reasoning and, you know, decide for themselves if it's a good reason or not to, you know, skip soccer practice or skip their piano lesson or whatever. And it gives them, I think it gives them reasoning skills and it gives them a better vocabulary of how they're feeling and what they're feeling. And that's ultimately what we want, right? We want to raise these humans to have emotional capacity and emotional intelligence more so than what we had when we were teenagers, at least for myself.

Melissa Parsons

Same, same, same. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. All right. Tell me how this coaching, if you're willing to, has changed your relationship with your hubby.

Katie M.

Oh gosh, that's a big one. I would say that that's one of the first places that I rocked the boat. You know, I just had this this idea that I should just be easy to live with, easy to get along with, make everything easy for everybody, because that's what wives and moms do, right? And yeah, we all have the easy news flash. News flash. That's not what all wives and moms do. And I got real tired of that, you know, that that's just a breeding ground for resentment and, and other problems. So I began to really voice what it was that I wanted and make myself accountable for those things and follow up on my requests and make a big fucking deal out of it versus a real small deal. Because when I make a big deal about it, then it gets noticed. Because I wasn't making any kind of, you know, there were no waves being made. Yeah, right. Exactly. And it unfortunately, sometimes mistakes, takes the big waves for them to, you know, to, to listen. But when I finally put those requests out there and put a lot of my needs ahead of everybody else's

Melissa Parsons

Thank you.

Katie M.

Then I ended up getting more of what I wanted and needed. So it ultimately was a positive thing. And even if it turned out to be not such a positive thing, I still needed to do it because it's what I needed. It's what I wanted for me. And we are so quick, at least a lot of the women that I know of my, in my age group, we're so quick to just try to make everybody happy. And it is just so impossible. You know, I, yeah, I find myself trying to make so many people happy on a daily basis. My family, my husband, my kids, my employees, my patients, it is exhausting. And you have to figure out where's the boundary? Where is that line? And before I just didn't have any, I didn't have any boundaries. I was just working to make everybody happy and not even thinking about myself. And yeah, I was, I was over it for sure.

Melissa Parsons

Yeah, you kind of had a deadly combination of not having any boundaries, trying to make everyone else happy, not even putting yourself on the list of people who should have needs, right? And I mean, I think if you were to put that on anybody, it'd be like, how long is this sustainable? Not very long.

Katie M.

Well, I think what ended up happening though is you made me realize that I actually did have needs and it would be okay for me to ask for those things, whereas before I didn't even think about it. It wasn't even really a thought about myself. Yeah, I would do the things that I wanted to do, like go to the gym or take a walk or those kinds of things, but some of the other stuff that I needed for me, it wasn't even a thought and you really kind of pulled that out of me and made me realize that, yeah, you're a human too, Katie, like you need this just like I need this and just like he needs this and she needs this and yeah, kind of just realize that, yeah, I'm a human too.

Melissa Parsons

Yeah, I pulled it out of you with curiosity. I mean, that's how, right? I mean, that's how we get everything done in coaching, pretty much just asking questions over and over, and then really, and then trying it and seeing, okay, is this really what I need? Maybe, maybe not. I thought this is what I needed, but maybe it's not. Like, it's okay for me to have thought that and then change my mind. And move on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Without beating myself up for thinking wrong, like I was wrong. Like, yeah, no, I'm just gonna like try this experiment in this thing that's called life, right? And see. And the only way to know if I like it is to try it. The only way to know if I don't want it is to try it. And I just think it's so, you know, so many of us just get so kind of stuck in these ruts of, you know, Groundhog Day and just doing the same thing over and over and over again. And in the vein of trying to make our family happy, in the vein of trying to keep our staff and our friends and our parents and our, you know, siblings, you know, the list goes on and on of the people that we all, you know, have been socialized to believe that we are responsible for.

Katie M.

Right. Right. And just realizing that nothing, if something doesn't work, it's not a failure. It's just information that's going to help inform our next decision.

Melissa Parsons

Mm hmm.

Katie M.

And not beat yourself up about this so-called failure, just keep moving forward. Because it's not a failure, it's just good information to have.

Melissa Parsons

Yeah, that's amazing. All right. My next question, was there anything that surprised you about coaching any unexpected results that you got?

Katie M.

I would say that what surprised me about coaching is the fact that I still have to really work at this, right? I think when I got into it, I kind of going back to what we were talking about earlier a little bit, like once I'm fixed, quote unquote fixed, then I'm going to be fixed forever. Clearly, as you mentioned, like I don't need fixed, but this is a constant process. And I do think that was surprising to me, having to do this sort of check-in with myself all the time. It's not innate, it's something we have, I've had to learn. And all this reframing that we've done and all the things that we've worked on, I have to go back and keep reminding myself of it. In our sessions, we would talk a lot about some of the same things, just but in different contexts or different frameworks, and it sometimes would take me, it still does, takes me a while to get it. And then there's still some times where I'm just like, Katie, this is what she was talking about. Think about what Melissa would say. And remind myself, just keep reminding myself, it's never going to end, and that's okay.

Melissa Parsons

Mm-hmm.

Katie M.

There's nothing to be fixed. So I think that was a little surprising for me, which, you know, there's just no endpoint. There just is no end point to it.

Melissa Parsons

Yeah, it would be so nice if we could just learn something once and apply it to every situation that comes up in life. But in my experience, that has not been the case with coaching. And I mean, I think I'll speak in terms of my life, you know, I mean, I found coaching when I was 48 years old. So I had been doing things a certain way, you know, probably since I was like eight or nine years old. So that's like 40 years of doing it one way. You know, why in the world would I expect that after a year or two of doing it a different way, that I wouldn't have it seamless and, you know, not have to be like, oh, it's that again.

Katie M.

You know? Yeah, nothing in life is like that, right? So why would we expect this to be? Right. Right.

Melissa Parsons

Yeah. Yeah. And then, of course, I have to coach you. I'm not supposed to coach you on these podcast calls, but like when you're saying like, Katie, what would Melissa do? Like say it with so much love and compassion. Yeah. Right. I hear still a tiny tinge of frustration and that's okay. Right. Because I think we are kind of used to being like, come on, girl, like how many times you got to learn this, right? But like just if you can either just be really curious with yourself, like, wait, why am I doing this again? Like what's going on that's happening? And then if you can add like just a little bit of love and a little bit of sweetness and kindness to yourself, that would make me so happy.

Katie M.

Okay, I will take that under advisement. Thank you. Noted.What you were just saying, though, reminded me of a couple of things that I was that I was thinking about. To your last question, I think also what surprised me was how I stopped being so reactive to things. I am definitely one of those people that has always been impatient and somewhat reactive to situations. And I definitely have noticed a difference in the way that I react to whatever, at home, at work. It's much more calm, it's much more compassionate, it's much more centered. And then the next thing I was going to say, too, is you really taught me about having so much compassion for not only myself, but those around me. The people that I live with, the people that I work with, just having the compassion and what are they going through? What does this mean for them? I wasn't doing that as much as I thought I was. I thought I was doing that, but I definitely needed another lesson in compassion, for sure.

Melissa Parsons

And I think that's another thing where you can never give yourself too much compassion. I think that a lot of us have a part that's worried, if I'm too kind to myself, then I'm just going to become this person who does nothing and who's just a sloth. Or if I'm too easy, quote unquote, on my kids, they're just going to become lazy or they're not going to care about anything and that type of thing. It doesn't happen that way. You can just keep pouring more and more compassion. I've never had an experience of, oh, I was way too compassionate with either me or with somebody that I care about, or even just a stranger in line who's ... We were actually on vacation last week and we went to this place called Charlie's Around the Corner in Sagatuck, Michigan. It's an amazing ice cream shop. If you ever have the chance to go, you should totally go. But we're in line, it was the third of July, the night of their fireworks or whatever. We literally waited in line probably 45 minutes to get an ice cream cone. There's a ton of flavors, but I'm like, you've been in line for 45 minutes and you're up at the counter and you still aren't quite sure what you want. It's just like, oh, what is the point of getting upset about that? Past me would have been like, what the fuck? You have been at this line for this long and you still are... You see that there's 100 people behind you. Maybe now is not the time to come to Charlie's to sample all the flavors.

Katie M.

One more sample, please, can I have a...

Melissa Parsons

Yeah, exactly. I mean, you know, so it's just like, oh, like, just, just having compassion for those complete strangers, like, it's such a better experience of your own life. When you live that way.

Katie M.

Yeah.

Melissa Parsons

Yes, I think a lot of us don't even realize until I start doing it.

Katie M.

I think it also sort of forces you to slow down and not be in such a rush. With your example, you stood 45 minutes in line and you're having compassion for these people, but also it just sort of reminds you to like, calm down, slow down, it's gonna be okay. There's nowhere we have to be. And it's cyclical, it just kind of keeps coming back to that.

Melissa Parsons

Compassion breeds lots of other positive things. Yummy things, yeah. I mean, to be fair, we did need to be at the fireworks, right? But again, even in that situation, like, you know, we got there and plenty of time and, you know, part of me was like, maybe we should, you know, as it was getting closer to dusk and we were waiting and waiting and waiting, it's like, maybe we should go back to our spot. And like, and my kids were like, are you crazy? We've been in this line for 40 minutes. You think we're going to, you know, but, and then I was like, wait, like we've all seen fireworks before, even if we miss the first five minutes of this fireworks show, like, so what? Like, is me being all ramped up about it and upset about it going to make the line go any faster or us not miss the first five minutes? No, it's just going to make everyone around me miserable. And my experience of myself miserable too. So, so yeah, interesting, interesting. Anything else that was surprising, any unexpected results, there's an actual answer to this that I'm looking for.

Katie M.

Oh gosh, there's, I didn't know there was a test involved. Well, I was gonna say one thing, but I don't think that's the answer you were looking for.

Melissa Parsons

No, tell us what it is, and then I'll tell you the answer. I'll tell you the right answer.

Katie M.

I don't know if it's an unexpected result, but I think what surprised me about coaching with you was you did a lot of giving your own personal experience and you gave stories about your life and you talked a lot about your own humanness and I loved that. And it really helped me to accept my own humanness in a way, which sounds so silly, but I really appreciated that part of the coaching with you. It just makes it so much more real and applicable and it helped me to get to know you, which I think is so, it's helpful in a relationship like this because I've done the therapy before and the therapist doesn't really give any of that and I've always kind of wanted some of that just so that I could understand a little bit more and you gave that to me in appropriate amounts. It was very appreciated. So thank you.

Melissa Parsons

that. Yeah, you're so welcome. It's my pleasure and I mean, I think that the beauty of being a coach is that, you know, anything that I'm asking you to do, not everything, but most things I have already done myself, I have struggled through, I have worked through, you know, if not the exact situation, something similar, right? And I do think the more of our humanity that is shared and, you know, I certainly don't want anyone keeping me up on a big pedestal and thinking, you know, that somehow I have all the answers or anything like that. So I think that that's an important thing.

Katie M.

I know the answer now. The unexpected result of my coaching was our new puppy that Melissa convinced me to get. It's all her fault.

Melissa Parsons

That is, I mean, I am an influencer, I will say that, and I said to Katie, I think I might have been a bad influence on you when she said we're going to pick up Frank's sister in Indianapolis. And she said, no, you're the best influence ever. So I'm so lucky because Katie and her family live quite locally to where I live. And so we got to watch Frank's sister Maggie when they went on spring break, right? It was your spring break. Yeah, it was. So we've gotten to take care of the littermates. And so yes, I mean, and honestly, I mean, you were never dog owners before.

Katie M.

We were not. Not as adults, as children. You know, my husband had a dog and I had a dog, but we never had a family dog with our kids. So it's been an experience. It's been a very positive experience. And yeah, she was the little puppy we didn't know we needed.

Melissa Parsons

Maggie May, she's so sweet. Yes, right. Yes, she is. All right. Is there anything that I didn't ask you, Katie, that you want to share with the listeners that you think might have helped you if you were trying to decide if coaching was the thing that might help her?

Katie M.

Yeah, I, I think that one of the things when I first started coaching, or I wanted to get into coaching, I was afraid that I wouldn't have anything to talk about. And I was afraid that I would be kind of boring or not bring enough to the to the sessions, or I'd have to, I'd have to do homework or think about like, Oh, what am I going to talk about this week? And there, I mean, there was, I guess, a little bit of that, like you do when you're when you're in coaching, you think about, Oh, I'm meeting with my coach on Thursday, I'm going to ask her this, or we're going to talk about this. So there's sometimes is some of that. But I went to plenty of sessions with you, where I said, I got nothing, what do you want to talk about? And you, you know, kind of clap your hands together and rub them, you know, like, all right, what can we talk about today? And you always have something, something worthwhile and interesting to talk about. And so I would just say to anybody who's thinking about coaching, don't let that be a deterrent. Because sometimes the things that we need to talk about the most, we don't even know we need to talk about

Melissa Parsons

Um, yeah, I think it's so interesting because, you know, and I've said this to you and I've said it, I'm sure before on the podcast, but some of my favorite sessions with my coach were when I was like, I don't have anything to talk about. And some of my favorite sessions as a coach are when people like you come and say that there isn't anything. And I think the reason that those sessions are so powerful is because you're not in some like, I need to fix this mode. Right. I need to be fixed mode. It's just, let's be clear. The way that I talked about things was by asking you questions on those coaching calls where you said you had nothing to talk about. Right. Um, so it wasn't like I have like this magical hat that I like just pull stuff out of. It's like, okay, let's get curious about, you know, what happened for you this week or, you know, this happened. We talked about this a couple of weeks ago, what's going on with that, you know, that type of thing. So I think that when the tension isn't so high or when you're not feeling really activated, it really allows us to get to some of the deeper things that you really are called to speak about.

Katie M.

Yeah, I agree with that. And nothing's off limits. We don't have to talk about super serious stuff all the time. We don't have to talk about our feelings all the time. If I had a situation with one of my kids come up, we would talk through it. It could be so minor, but just maybe the way I handled it or the way I reacted to it or little things that came up. This is true life coaching in the moment, in our life. We have done some deep dives and gone back to childhood stuff and things like that, but also we're talking about some of the little things.

Melissa Parsons

Yeah. The random things that happen on a Tuesday afternoon. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And how I handled it, what I loved about what I did, what I would do differently if I had it over to do again. And, you know, just talking, especially with the kids and with John, like you have an infinite amount of times that you can ask them to redo stuff and infinite amount of times that you can say, gosh, I didn't love how that went. Like, can I, can I try again? Or, you know, can I have a do over? Yeah. Yeah. Or it's happening again. Okay. Like the last time I handled it one way, it went okay, but I didn't love how I felt afterward. Let me try something different. Like the universe and your experience as a mom and as a business owner and as a wife, and it's going to give you lots and lots of opportunities. And, you know, that, that is why I think, you know, most people who sign up for coaching, they start it because they feel like they need it. And the people like you that continue to get coaching, it's because, oh, I find this so useful and I really look forward to the calls and, you know, there's always going to be stuff that's happening and, you know, life is going to keep living. And, you know, just to have somebody who is a hundred percent on my side and is also objective, you know, it's hard to find somebody who is willing to do that for you. And so I think, yeah, this is life coaching. It's life that keeps happening. It does. Right. Well, thank you so much for coming on. You're welcome. Thank you for having me. I so appreciate it. And I so love being your coach. Thank you for the opportunity. you

Katie M.

Absolutely. Thank you for being my coach.

Melissa Parsons

Yeah, you're so welcome. And I'm sure that if anybody is listening and they want to hear more from Katie or they have questions, I can definitely put you in touch with her and I'm sure Katie would be happy to answer any questions that you might have. If you're out there wanting to rock the boat and afraid to do it, if you're out there wanting to be inconvenient to people and are afraid to do it, I'm sure Katie would be happy to help you take that first step. All right. Thanks so much, Katie. I appreciate you. Come back again next week, everybody.

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